As I began this post I searched for quotes from Greek philosophers in my Bartlett’s about overcoming obstacles, succeeding in the face of adversity, and on how exactly you get Greek consulates to return your phone calls. I didn't find much in any of the three categories in Bartlett's. There were scant quotes about triumphing over obstacles unless I was wiling to count Anthony Robins or Napoleon Hill as honorary Greeks. And, in regards to the third and most important category there was zippity-dip-opolis, that, my friends is Greek for bubkis, squat, nil and nada---or so I hear.
What I did find was a quote by the poet Horace, or Quintus Horatius Flaccus as his mother called him when he was in trouble, or the name his possy called him, i.e. Virgil and L.V.R., Hory-Master Q. Okay, okay, I know what you are going to say. 'Belette, Horace was Roman and not Greek.' True enough. But, he was educated in Athens and he had Greek long stay visa---and that makes him more of a Greek than, say, Zig Ziggler, Wayne Dyer or Stephen Covey. I mean, can you imagine Covey in a toga?
And, as my adversity and obstacles are Greek in nature I thought it best to seek inspiration from someone who has actually lived in Greece not just from someone who may occasionally enjoy a Greek salad at the Hilton before there seminar on "Million Dollar Sales Secrets."
Hory-Master Q said: “Adversity has the effect of eliciting talents which, in prosperous circumstances, would have lain dormant.”
Word, Hory. That is absolutely spot on. In my personal Odyssey with the Greeks I have learned that I have enormous perseverance. Like I have said before, I have had to call the consulate every day for almost two weeks and they were not returning my calls. I remember at one point I said to He-weasel as we were both growing increasingly frustrated with the process, " I will prevail. They will return my calls; oh, yes they will." I was taken aback by my tone; it sounded like a line from the show Heroes. I was also struck by the way He-weasel responded, "Yes," he paused, "I know you will." There was something about the certainty in both of us that gave me a keener insight into my gifts of endurance and perseverance. I will not be stopped. There is a record somewhere in the world that proves that He-weasels's grandfather is Greek and I will find it with our without my super powers of perseverance. Hmm, a red cape with the letters "LBR" emblazoned on it might be nice.
A few weeks ago we hit a dead end in regards to proving He-weasel's Greek grandfathers nationality. The problem is that he was born in Smyrna, which is now a city in Turkey called Izmir. And, as I have explained before, according the Greeks, even though Smyrna was Greek when He-weasel's grandfather was born there it is now a part of Turkey and that makes He-weasel's grandfather a Turk. Um, well, not really. So then what? With that logic or lack of it, we were told our only other option is to find a place in Greece that is now and always was Greece in which He-weasel's grandfather was registered as a resident. Sounds simple? Ha-ha-ha-he-heee-ho-ho-ho.... No, not simple. We called every remaining family member in the He-weasel family tree. As close as we could get to the name of a village in Greece where He-weasel's Grandfather resided is when we talked to a great aunt and she vaguely remembered that the family had once lived on the island of Samos in a city that means deep in Greek. But, she didn't know how to say "deep" in Greek.
This was a moment when my beloved weasel thought it was all over. That was such a vague and random clue. But, this is when my weasel whiskers got to wiggling. I went to Babelfish and I typed in the word "deep." Then I translated it from Greek to English. The result was "βαθιά." I then copied and pasted that into the Google search engine. As soon as I found a result I asked Google to translate the page and that is when I found that βαθιά means Vathi. He-weasel's grandfather had lived in the town of Vathi, Samos.
I immediately sent an email to the registrar of Vathi expecting that she would write me back, as is the custom. Nope. I have since sent an email to almost every person who has an email address at the Municipality of Vathi, including but not limited to the Webmaster and the dogcatcher. As of yet, I have not received a reply from anyone. Okay, maybe it is a language issue. Maybe my English email is Greek to them. So, I decided to call. For a week, each morning I was getting up at 4 a.m. to call every number on the Municipality of Vathi web page trying to find someone who could tell me how I could get a hold of the person who could help me get He-weasel's grandfather's registration records. I found no one who could help me.
Finally, the Greek consulate returned my call. For the sake of the consulate worker's privacy I will call her Helen of Houston. Helen apologized profusely and told me once again that she could not help me as He-weasel's grandfather had lived in New York City. I explained to her that New York had said that they couldn't help me because we live in Texas. This is one of the many things that suck about consulates that each get to set their own policy. I suppose the easiest solution would to be to move to NYC.
I somehow managed to talk Helen into requesting grandpa's registration records from Vathi. I figured that was a start. Once we get the records I will then need to somehow see if I can get the NY and the Houston consulate to talk to each other and decide which of them can help me. That task will require negotiation skills that I am not sure I have. But, as Hory-Master Q said, “Adversity has the effect of eliciting talents....” If it turns out that I don't have the necessary negotiation skills I will resort to crying.
Helen of Houston told me we should hear back from Vathi this week, which probably means we will hear anything for a month or more as the Greeks seem to be running on antiquity time and not on the Eastern European Time Zone as is reported. While we are waiting there is still much to be done.
We have received all the birth, marriage and death records that Greece requires. However, we now need to get all the U.S. records apostillated. For those of you who don't know what apositillation is please do not feel bad, I didn't either. What apostillation is the process of a documenting the seal and the signature of a birth certificate, marriage license or death certificate.
We got our marriage license aposillated. In California the secretary of state does the entire apostillation process. Sure it cost us almost $100 to do so, but in the scheme of Greek citizenship that ain't nothing; a drop in the Agean, so to speak. However, as the bulk of our records come from New York it is going to be harder. In New York we need to get each and every record apostillated by the city, county and state. And, they will not do all three at once. So we have to send the records to the city and wait to receive the apostillation and then resubmit it to the county and then again with the state. Or, we can pay a processor $200 per document or we can just fly to New York and get them all done in one day.
No matter how many calls I have to make, how many papers I have to order, and how many checks I have to write--- I will not be stopped. There is an EU passport with He-weasel's name on it and all I have to do is keep at it---even when it feels as if I have lost the track of how to find it. Inch by inch, Greek citizenship is a cinch. Yard by yard dealing with bureaucracy is hard. Or as the famous diplomat, inventor, and philosopher Benjicus Franklinoplous said, "if at first you don't succeed, call, call, call the consulate once again."
Monday, June 2, 2008
Greek Odyssey: Part II
Labels: Greek citizenship, He-Weasel, La Belette Rouge


43 comments:
Now here I was thinking that you only had to get on an airoplane to get to Greece. I didn't realize you had to move and climb mountains first! Keep on going, you will get there.
Cybil: Greek citizenship requires that you are able to accomplish tasks that only the immortals of Olympus could complete.
(I stand up from my seat and...) Clap clap clap!!!!!! Yes! it is a EU passport! ;)
nancy
Nancy: Thank you and thank you! I don't want the Greeks to know--but I would be willing to enter a traithalon or do whatever other epic tasks they can come up with in order to secure the EU passport for my He-weasel.;-)
WOW! What an ordeal. They certainly don't make it easy, do they?
I hope there won't be quite as much bureaucracy when you file the papers to adopt me!
iheartfashion: I feel certain that the Greeks will just sign off on our adopting a "child" just a few years younger than I am with just a wink and a handshake. I don't foresee any trouble with that at all.;-)
Oh my god, what a Byzantine nightmare. I don't know how you do it, but I admire your perseverance. When you finally have that massive breakthrough, you will have earned the right to have its corresponding breakdown, too!
xo --
Marsi
I like the crying idea!
Marsi: I think what motivates me is the knowledge that if we can just get the EU passport our French bureaucratic nightmare will be cut down emmensely. Pain now or pain later. I want to get past the pain and have some Parisian pleasure!!!
OJL: Let's hope they are moved by my honest outpouring of emotions.;-)
nothing short of sisyphian! keep pushing that boulder babe and you will be rewarded yet. that question of identity is a funny thing isn't it? reminds me of this piece [ http://urlthat.com/c6734d1 ] -- a recent read for a post on hawaiian sovereignity.
if all else fail, there is a viable sitcom here somewheres... ;-) keep at it.
I am curious to know (and you can email me the answer if you wish) how you got He-weasel on board with the possibility of living in France? Has he always been keen to try it out or does he have an affinity with French culture as well.
SUR: Sisyphian indeed. As soon as I get one boulder to the top I find myself at the bottom of the mountain with another boulder to get to the top.
The article on Hawaiian identity was really interesting. My parents used to be in the Hawaiian clothing business. As a child I had an enormous collection of Hawaiian print sun dresses and mini-mumus. We spent a lot time at the Kahala Hilton.
I remember meeting my parents business pals who all seemed Hawaiian to me. But, my parents would explain that they weren't because of a Portugese grandfather or a Japanese grandmother or whatever. And whenever we met a "real Hawaiian",in very hushed tones, my parents would be sure to let me know. Being a real Hawaiian, from their Hale perspective was as something as rare and elusive as a unicorn.
I find the Greek consulates position on He-weasel's grandfather to be totally incomprehensible. He was born in Greece, he had Greek parent's and then due to a war the city he lived in became Turkish. And that makes him Turkish? HuH?
I like your idea of a TV series. My bag fat Greek citizenship application. Tom Hanks are you listening? ;-)
This is a great post, LBR! Very creative and calm about a hair-tearing project.
That said, Island of Samos reminded me of only one thing - Samosa.. :-)
I must drool away from the keyboard.
damn. all the greek entendres are used up. guess I'll just have to be practical and tell you the first few things that popped into my head (I'm weird that way, I have a very strange affliction known as ideation...) but anyhoo, first thing was seems I remember you referring to the Greek church in an earlier post or someone from said church. I imagine the greek orthodox are a chummy bunch; could you get a respected member/elder from the Texas branch to contact the NY branch and see if some calls could be placed (again) on your behalf. Preferably a member that actually speaks Greek. Also that maybe could call the consulate/gov't offices in Valthi and lobby on your behalf? regularly?
2nd random thought (because I worship at the altars of eBay and Craigslist.org, believing all solutions and answers from the universe can be found therein) ... I looked on Craigslist and there IS a site for Greece. Seems there might be a way to put up an ad of some sort, or connect via resources there ... to get someone to help, investigate, represent ... dunno, on your behalf ... "in country". Another one I'd look into is contacting a real estate agent there and let them know you are looking to move there (okay ... a stretch but it COULD happen) and what advice do they have for expediting the citizenship process given your background.
Let me think some more and see if this dumb-ass ideation gene gives me any other whoppers.
oh and by the way, good work!
F.O.T.: He-weasel fell in love with France from the first moment he saw Paris. He is a huge fan of history--and as you know, "Europe is where the History is, man"(Eddie Izzard quote.
And, we had talked about going to France before. But is was all dreamy, pie in the sky before everything fell apart. Once it fell apart and it started to look like it was a real and viable option he jumped at it.
He is so cute! He is constantly trying to speak French and his vocabulary is very limited, more limited than mine and mine is VERY limited! For example, if he wants breakfast he will say "Je suis petit dejeuner." How cute is that? He is really so gung-ho about the language. And, at present he is reading four different books about French history. On the surface he looks more excited than I do and I think my excitement is not as visible because I am in shock! I cannot get over how lucky I am.
He isn't sure that France will be forever for us, nor I am I. But, he figures as this door opened and every other door shut why not give it a try. Oh, and he loves the bread. Really, I think I could have talked him into moving there just based on the bread alone. ;-)
Shefaly: Thank you!
And, your comment so makes me think of "My big fat Greek Wedding." The father in the film has a thing where he says "Tell me a word and I will tell you how it is Greek." Well, I bet that Indians came to visit Samos and they had enjoyed the spinakopita and they asked for one to go before they left Greece. So the Greeks put a bit of dough around the spinakopita and gave it to the Indians. So Samos is for Samos and a means to go. So, it taking Samos to go. Well, it could be?;-)
You are lucky in that aspect!!!!
JNRR: You, my friend, are a genius. Wow!! I am so deeply and profoundly impressed with your brilliant strategical thinking.
I do have a Greek priest on my team. He is in NYC. So, once we get the registration from Vathi I will enlist him to call the NYC consulate and the Houston consulate on our behalf. If for some reason we don't hear from the Vathi municipality via the Greek consulate I will ask him to call Vathi for us.
To your second brilliant thought, um brilliant! I had never thought of that. I hadn't even thought to look to see if there is a Greek craigslist. Did I mention that you are a genius?
Your third random thought is the most clever and genius of them all. I LOVE IT!! I am sure realtor's have dealt with this issue before.
He-weasel does have cousins in Greece. They spend half the year in the states and half the year in Crete. So, the cousins return to Greece in July. They are a great resource in dealing with all of this--and we are soooo very grateful to have them.
I look forward to what other brilliant, clever, and citizenship quickening plans you come up with.
Your strategies may be the myth-ing link to get us into the realm of the gods of Olympus.
Thank you, JNRR! You are a force to be reckoned with!! Take that Greek bureaucracy. Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!!!!
F.O.T.: I really am, on a lot of levels! ;-)
kahala hilton [now named 'the kahala'], mais oui! and i did not even include a muu muu in your header- let's keep it that way. i've since forgone aloha shirts in my repertoire, myself.
i forgot to mention that i enjoyed this post very much. you with your cool elan -- putting it all- this hair pulling experience-- with a comic zeal...
if it was me- oy!
LBR: That is a plausible explanation. But I think I shall ask my genuine Greek article friend here in Cambridge. ;-) I am keen to match-make her with the eligible Greek bachelor, Stelios, who is a shipping and airline magnate, and a good egg all round (pun unintended).
When we meet, do remind me to tell you about an Indian equivalent of this Greek oddity. In an episode of Goodness Gracious Me, they discuss how all great people are Indian including Shakespeare!
SUR: Le sigh, no longer the Hilton. Huh? It has been a very long time since I have been in Aloha land. But, we used to spend almost every Christmas there. My version of Santa will forever be a guy in red shorts being pulled by pigs on the beach. Do you remember that?
I am so happy I manage to pull off the persona of cool elan on the outside. I am so grateful that my writing gives me a couple of hours a day where I can be somewhat objective about the situation d'jour. Let me tell you that there are many hours of the day when cool elan would be the antithesis of my demeanor.
And, I am always pleased when you enjoy a post. I am even more delighted when you leave a lovely comment, like you did. Thank you, SUR!:-D
Shefaly: Once your Greek friends reveal the real etymological evidence for why Samosas are really Greek, please let me know if I was anywhere in the vicinity with my myth.
My Greek-god, He-weasel, is not a shipping or airplane magnate. But, he does like ships and planes--and he wants to open a restaurant one day which ought to unequivocally prove his Greek heritage.
I look forward to hearing that story. India has such an amazing and longstanding literary tradition---but no the Mahābhārata wasn't enough? Shakespeare is Indian too? LOL!! :-)
Good luck getting there - and maybe a nice boat and tote with red handles and "LBR" on it would fit the bill????
Kaili: Ooh, brilliant!! I think I will need the large "Boat and Tote" to hold all the consulate paperwork. I would still like a cape and the ability to fly. But, the "Boat and Tote" might be more practical. ;-)
There's a book here you know.
Your Greek travails always stir up in me an urge to go round the corner to the Taverna and get some Greek food. I getting the Zenon Salad tonight. No choice in the matter!
Your Sisiphean task is daunting but you have the where withall to get the job done.
Remember the saying by Socrates, The squeeky wheel gets the oil...etc.
If only to get rid of you, these people must give you G.D. passport! Afterall who wants a persistant weasle snapping relentlessly at their ankles.
CarolG: From your mouth to a publisher's, agent's or Zeus' ears. I mean, my gosh, if my writing about my Greek odyssey is good for the Greek economy, i.e. inspiring you to go out for Greek food, then it seems only fair that I be rewarded with a book deal and a passport for He-weasel.
And, Carol, I think the saying originally went "the squeaky wheel gets the olive oil---and the best Olive oil in the world comes from Greece." ;-)
You as always, paint an accurate picture, I will continue to yip, snip, and pester until He-weasel has his passport. That would actually be a great watercolor--"weasel with passport and Zenon Salad." What do you think?
Hmmm...afterreading through these responses, I do think you have to walk on eggs on the Greek/Turkish situation. There is no love lost between those two.
Doesn't the grandfather have a grandfather from Athens etc?
Also do you think the Greeks may not care for the fact that you are wishing to go someplace other than Greece with this EU passport?
Another thought.
You are in Texas. Are there not many talened artistes there who can "draw" up the papers you need? I would be happy to do so if I know exactly what Greek god goes where...ahem
Just an insane thought to speed up the process..
PSS
I'm afraid I'm losing my English in the process of coming up with ingenious ideas for you.
Excuse PLEASE!
CarolG: There are very strong feelings from both sides about the Smyrna/Izmir situation. So, I have stopped focusing on Smyrna and I have moved on to Vathi.
In order for He-weasel to get citizenship he has to prove that either his father or grandfather was a Greek national. He cannot go back any further than that to be eligible for citizenship.
We have not told the Greeks what we plan to do with the EU passport and as of yet they haven't asked. So, I don't think that is what is causing the delay.
I appreciate your "insane"thought. But, I fear that we would have to have an original in order to create a creative copy. Just kidding! Greek gods--I would never do that. Don't want to piss off Zeus or things will start getting really ugly.;-)
CarolG: You can speak any language or any reasonable facsimile there of if it involves ingenious plans that involve shortening the citizenship process.
p.s. I didn't even notice any wonky English---so on my end there was nothing that needed any excusing. ;-)
I think jnnr's ideas are fantastic. jnnr, you are oh so clever! I admire your tenacity...you don't give up, which a great. I'm sure most people who have been bummed out and just threw the idea out the window, but there is something there...his grandfather was greek, so do what you need to do to prove it so that the EU citizenship is yours.
OJL: I was just raving to He-weasel about all of the intelligence, experience, and ideas that are available in this community. I have and will continue to learn so much from you all.
If I give up when something gets a little challenging it says a lot about how much or little I want to accomplish something. Actually, I think the IVF experience was a PhD in tenacity and it expanded my ability to tolerate ambiguity and uncertainty. And, like you say, this is something that is provable---I just have to find one way to do that.
Thanks, OJL, for your encouragement. It means a lot to me. :-) Can't wait to pop the champagne with y'all!
I am in awe of your stick-to-it-iveness. I mean, I even gave up on spelling perse......
If I ever need something investigated, I'm definitely hiring you.
dcup: Hee-hee! Actually, what you are writing about on your blog demonstrates a whole lot of perseverance. ;-)
WendyB: I will work for jewelry.
Have you read Paging Aphrodite by Kim Green? It's chick lit but it will make you really laugh about trails and travails in Greece.
Lavendar: I haven't; thank you for the tip. More laughter about the "trails and travails" would be good!:-)
Final insane thought - bake chocolate chip cookies and distribute to all who can assist.
If this doesn't work nothing will.
CarolG: My first impulse was to bake for the priests who might be willing to help us. My second impulse was to give donations to the church.
I hope the consulate worker appreciates the cookies. I will let you know how it goes. Oh, and do you have a recipe for a chocolate chip cookie that inspires others into massive action on your behalf? If so, I would love to get it from you!;-)
Thanks for your continued input!!! Oh, and how was the Greek salad last night? :-)
Your perseverance is admirable!
First I want to thank you all your kind compliments in my blog in #300. They ment a lot to me.
This is a great post with a funny side but showing your brave inner.
xoxo
Psyche: Thank you! So nice of you to say.
Seeker: Your so welcome. It was just me telling the truth! Congrats on your 300th!! Wishing you many more.
Thanks for your comment and your encouragement!!:-)
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