Yesterday( well actually today but I will post this Friday) when I saw Igor he started as he always does by asking how I have been feeling and the truth is that last Friday I felt like crap and so I told him.
I felt like crap because I got an email from a person who for years took advantage of my complex. Which complex is that? The complex in which I set myself up to serve as a life support system for a friend in crisis and where I am totally there for them and try to support them and then I feel depleted and discover that it was not a friendship.
This "friend" who emailed me on Friday had many years ago learned of my talent for interpreting dreams that comes from doing ten years of Jungian analysis and this friend didn't want to do her own work and go into therapy so nearly every morning at 7:30 a.m. she would call me and tell me her dreams and then as soon as she told me all about her dreams she would come up with an excuse to hang up. There was never time for me but always enough time for her dreams. Later in the day she would call to see what thoughts I had about her dreams. I would share my thoughts and once my interpretation was complete my friend would have another call come in or someone was at the door or her dog needed to be let outside.
For years I allowed this to happen even though I started to feel a growing resentment and dread when she called. He-weasel called this almost daily ritual "Dream dry cleaning drop off. In by 8, dreams fluffed and folded by 4." This went on for years until one day during a particularly difficult IVF cycle I told my "friend" that I couldn't do this for a while as I was going through a lot. My friend was outraged. Her outrage in turn outraged me and I ended the friendship.
That ending was over two years ago. So on Friday I heard from her for the very first time in two years. In her email she told me she is in crisis and that she is dreaming and that I am so good at getting her dreams and would I help her with her with them---and she did not bother to ask how I am or if we managed to get pregnant. The outrage returned as well as an awareness about a kind of pattern of friendship I seem to be in.
I had four different possible responses to her email request:
1. I could agree with her request.
2. I could write an email detailing why I ended the friendship and why I did not want to start it again.
3. I could write an email telling her that I am sorry and that I hope she gets into therapy to get some support during this difficult time.
4. I could ignore the email.
I shared my four responses with Igor and he came up with a fifth: "Tell her she can be your friend for the next two years and listen to you talk about your life and then after that time you can be there for her."
"Yeah" I responded, "that would go over well."
After he made his witty suggestion I looked to his window and saw a gorgeous sparrow with a red head sitting on his open window sill who seemed to be eavesdropping on my options. I told him what I saw. Igor responded,"They come a lot. Even pigeons fly up here." Igor's office is on the fourth-floor in the middle of a very busy part of Beverly Hills. Something about the bird's presence and that they were regular visitors made him seem one part Dr. Doolittle and one part St. Francis of Assisi.
"Do you encourage this? I asked hopefully.
"I don't discourage it." he offered in a non-committing tone.
"Do you feed them?" Knowing that if it was me there would be feeders and a water tray and some Googling on what the best bird food is for birds in this region
"No" he quickly answered and then changed his mind, "Yes, I feed them spiritual food" he laughed.
"Nice deal. And, they don't have to pay and they can fly away if they don't like what you say."
I thought I was talking about the birds but instead I was talking about the kind of friendships I often have. Girlfriends in crisis who need support and fly in and out when they need help and then leave and come back for more support. This is a pattern for me. And, I am not a victim in this. I put out the food, water and a sign on the window that says "I will be here for you whenever you need me and feel free to shit on me. I will clean it up."
Igor had some thoughts on why I might do this. He says that my being there for friends in crisis is me trying to show my mother how to listen and how to be there for me only she is never there to see it. He joked, "It's too bad that you don't have the hours and hours of being there for friends on tape so you could send it to your mother so she could learn how to listen to you and be there for you." Laughter ensued and I corrected, "She wouldn't listen to them unless we were talking about her." Igor agreed.
My showing my mother how to listen to me has been attempted with many "friends. " Friends who I was there for long past when I felt comfortable doing so. Friends I offered everything that I wanted from my mother: comfort, encouragement, support, a welcoming guest bedroom, baked goods and hours and hours and hours on the phone listening ( and I hate the phone). Now that I get why I have had this pattern I am no longer doing it. I quit. I cannot get what I need by giving to those who can't give back.
Here is a sixth possible response to the e-mail request:
Dear Bird Friend,
I am sorry. I know I have long had my window open to you but I am closing it and keeping it shut. Friendship is not one sided and I am not and cannot be your therapist. I wish you every good thing. Now, fly away.
Friday, April 24, 2009
Bird comes for therapy
Labels: Beverly Hills, birds, complex, dreams, Friends, Igor, Jungian, Mother, Psychoanalysis, Psychology


78 comments:
Wow ! Guess what? I too have experienced something same! I have always been the listener. I have been shy and quiet and been an ideal catch for those so sure of themselves.Just listening. You might remember me mentioning that I have gone through psychoanalysis ( it was so,so tough ). I have had a zero contact with my mother all my life. I was a nobody to her,but she kept on talking about her anxiety to me all the time. Luckily I had the therapy going on,because it was impossible for us to communicate. My mother is dead now and a miracle has happened. During these months after her death I now totally understand her influence on me. All my relationships were just an attempt to please her. So I was the listener. Things have changed now. I have been able to close the door. I have forgiven my mother and myself.Things couldn´t be better. I have erased all old relationships from my address book and found new friends,and I refuse to be the victim again. It´s true: The death of my mother has made me free and I, for the first time in my life,live a life of my own. Btw, today would be my mother´s birthday. Thanks so much for your post. It really touched me.
6th? Perfect!! (And if she gets all angry and pissy and moany either ignore her or tell her your hourly fee for her dream interpretations is $1000 and you'll start when her first check clears!)
Belle, you are so strong and wise. I know exactly what you are talking about. I wish I could tape my window shut.
You inspire me so.
love,
Kirie
wow ,now you got me thinking- very compelling post. That last email response was the best and most perfect one!And I think it should be sent!
I like reply #6. In the past few years I have told a few birds in my life to fly, fly away. Their friendships were too one-sided and they were all people who were angry at life and I didn't want to risk feeling angry myself. So out went the "vacancy" sign for new and improved friendships!
sounds like a toxic friend - the kind that suck the energy out of you and then poof they are gone. Go to New York Times website and read a wonderful article about friends and stick with the friends who stick by you. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/21/health/21well.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=friends%20article&st=cse
great post. very engaging. friends like that smell the opening. they have an instinct for it. they always find someone else to do the dirty work when you bow out.
they are real the real survivors on the food chain, and your last letter will be hard to send, but very freeing.
hit send or have he weasel hit it for you.
Oh, I like #6, it really is the most lovely response. I have a long history as the listener and giver of comfort. It is hard to shut that door. But it is also painful to realize that one thinks one has all these friends but find that they are only friends when they are needy and are not wiling to share the good times or help shoulder your bad times.
Friends who can't give back aren't friends.
Your 6th option is fabulous. I went through a period in my life where a majority of my relationships seemed to be bird people (friends who always needed something from me, "boyfriends" who only dropped in for booty calls). I had one friend, a Best Friend or so I thought, who used to call me up from across the continent late at night crying about her abusive boyfriend (I was living on the East Coast at the time). Then when I moved back to her town after my divorce and floundering a bit, she suddenly dropped me like a hot potato. I learned a lot from that.
I'm sorry that your bird friend has come back to forage and shit on your windowsill. Don't give her any crumbs.
Some chutzpah your friend had - send Dear Bird message toute suite.
Number Six (is this The Prisoner?) is good. Friendship is a two-way cliché, I mean, street. If one's doing all the heavy lifting, sometimes the lifter has to drop the heavy on the other's head. Figuratively speaking, bien sûr.
ROCK ON, La Bel. I've fallen into this friendship pattern, too, and it is a soul-sucker. You are awesome for recognizing it as a pattern and setting some new boundaries.
I really like response #6, however, I get the feeling that the woman is so self-involved she wouldn't know what the hell you meant and would just get angry at not be answered the ways she wants to be answered. I'm glad that you are taking a stand, and hope you find many more friends in life who know that friendships (like all relationships) are give and take.
Great advice -dump all dream monsters and any other takers. There are too many givers out here to be bothered with them, xv.
Belette, this has been such a voyeuristically satisfying post… Thank you for doing this…
1) Saint Francis of Assisi -- It’s funny, my post today features a sparklemirror tile depicting him.
2) Warning, my pompous interpretation hereto ensues… Your mother was selfish and detached… You became her polar opposite, selfless without boundaries… You needed (thrived on?) being the go-to girl… Your friend filled that need… You entered a frustrating, painful, and unrequited struggle with fertilization… Your needs became a siren… the pendulum returned the swing fast and hard… The relationship no longer worked for either one of you.
3) My flea-bitten opinion: Choose option #6, forgive her (for your own good and hers), tell her how you have changed and admit your part in it, and no matter her response, wish her well…
“…I love you, now you must fly away”
David
Dear Belette
I have had friends like that and it has taken me years to figure out very few of my "friends" are truly friends and I had to cut them out of my life. People are users and I so don't get it.
Did you consider a seventh scenario. Yes I will be there to listen and advise and by the way I charge $175/hour!
My father used to tell me "Don't cast your pearls to swine". The older I get the more I realize I have been giving my goodness (my pearls) away and not leaving any for myself. I used to think if I could help others I'd feel better about myself and you know what all it did was make me tired.
I have learned to really look at who my friends truly are and also learned it's ok to ignore those who aren't.
So cut that be-atch loose!
Belette,
Bird friends seem to be there for a reason, I think...
Some of us just have this need to give. My therapist once told me that as long as it's a conscious choice it's OK, for we can always choose when to give.
I do love your final e-mail... you are choosing not to give this time... and it's also OK for the freedom to choose is the one that makes you strong...
Metscan : I knew for a long time that I have been in this pattern but I had no idea why. Now that I do I feel sure that I am DONE.
Igor says that my mother doesn't want to see me but rather she wants me to witness her pain and that is the same thing I do with "friends".
I am so happy for you that you have reached a place of understanding and forgiveness.
I haven't reached where you are yet. But, I am getting there.
I am so happy that this post touched you in someway. I thank you, Metscan, for sharing your experience. You give me hope that I can really stop this pattern.
Even though it is your birthday I hope you celebrate the birth of your new life today.
Giggles: I will absolutely help her with her dreams for $1000 per phone call. Not likely she could afford me *fee*.
Kirie:I'll loan you some duct tape.:-)
Christina Lee: You have bird friends too? I am working on gaining the courage to send it. It feels easier to say nothing at all.
Loved this story. I always tend to pick up friends that are needy that no one else will put up with, so I have had many instances like yours.
But one of them, after I finally brushed her off---and said that I didn't have time to listen that day, then proceeded to never call her back for months----well, she flew away forever, as she was killed in a car accident and I never got to talk to her again.
So I am torn. But I do like the number six----then you don't have to worry about it anymore.
I only wish that I would have had some kind of closure with my friend. Thats all.
Pure genius.
(Weirdly, today a cardinal crossed my path while I was walking to work. In a city of pigeons and the occasional robin, this was a miraculous occurrence.)
KT:I have a long list of bird friends and some real and strong and true friends. But, I keep attracting the birds. It makes me a bit scared to open my windows as I fear another one might fly in.
Good for you for figuring out why you let the birds in. It is astonishing to discover why we do this. I thought I just did this because I was a good person and nice, hah!
Marnie: Thank you, Marnie, and thanks for the link. I will definitely check it out. There is another great article in the Huffington Post about Spring Cleaning Your Relationships.
http://tinyurl.com/crtw5k
ShoeBitch: Thank you. You are so right. I would love to see how bird friends are with other people--people who don't open their window to this kind of friendship.
It will be hard to send. I fear angry and accusatory emails that imply I am selfish and cruel not to be there for her.
Mardel: It is HARD to shut the door. So hard. And, yet, it is hard on us to keep the window open.
One bird friend that I had supported to a ridiculous extreme through a bad-bad-bad relationship told me upon me seeing her after my last IVF that she wanted to hear no sad stories from me. This coming from a person who told me her sad story for hours a day for months couldn't stand to hear my sad story. That made it easy to shut the door.
Deja Pseu: I am sorry that you too have had your share of bird friends. It is strange that when you are used to bird friends that when people really are there for me it can almost feel shocking or somehow wrong. My impulse is to be the giver and expect nothing back. I think my mother taught me that. Bye-bye birdies!!
Where to from here?: I was absolutely flabbergasted by the audacity of her request and yet as it was so nervy that it made me really look at the pattern and say enough is enough.
Randal Graves: What is The Prisoner? Must Google. And, wouldn't literally be more satisfying?
La belette, I think a response to your 'friend' is in order but I don't feel number 6 would do it. She is unlikely to understand it, instead I liked numbers 2 and 3.
I also think this has less to do with your mother and more to do with you being a very giving, generous friend who hopes people will reciprocate. Sadly, sometimes that never happens but don't let that stop you being the kind person that you are. Let your 'friend' know why you won't be interpreting her dreams anymore. Btw, did I tell you I think He-weasel is fab? No? Well he is.
I do have one question for you. Why would you consider any option besides #4, except academically? If she has not written to you in two years and she has not used the two years to learn to interpret her own dreams, it seems clear enough that she has not changed in any way that would make her a good friend now.
For my part, I hope that you do not respond to her email at all. The nerve!
This one is easy. Send her a link to this blog posting!
I like your last response, Belette. And I love your clear writing as usual, and the bird metaphor. It's lovely.
My unhealthy fear in this situation would be what if she gets angry? I tend to have a similar pattern in befriending single mothers who don't have much money and struggle a lot. They remind me of one of my relatives, who's an isolated single mother and towards whom I feel guilty because that's not my particular life situation.
The key for me seems to be feeling responsible for other people's happiness. I know as kids we naturally do that, if a parent or sib is unhappy. I need to pretend I don't feel that way and act as if I don't. I think that's the lesson I'll be learning until I die.
I also would like to affirm something--I THINK you have a lovely generous kind heart, and it's a good thing to have, and if someone took advantage of it, it just means there are other windows that are two-way streets.
oh i know people like that. i will listen for hours to their issues but the moment i need to talk, they are too busy or just talk about themselves. these are just selfish indiviudals so if they are not shy about being selfish why should you be shy about telling them off.
my dear, I am so happy you came to the conclusion you did and so sad you went through this kind of abuse and abuse is how I see it! I too did this, was the most welcoming and helpful of friends and yet I never seemed to pick the friends (I should put quotes around the word friends) who gave me anything in return....and they always left me in the end, no matter what I did to try and keep the relationship...this was years before I started therapy so I didn't really learn why I did it but in reading your post, I see why now....
I hope you are feeling better and the friends who are now in your life, are friends for you and with you for your up's and down's...somehow, based on my limited knowledge of your lovely self, I think they are. I am sensing some sadness lately in your posts and yet, have not been able to leave much in the way of comments as I have absolutely no time for ME, which I am not appreciating too much, but soon, my life will return to normal and I can once again read and respond to my friends and their words....you being at the top of that list!
my little baby is supposed to be coming on may 24th, although I am worried something will happen to her on the trip or something will happen before as I have not heard much if anything for a couple of weeks. I was told by our friend that she will send me a picture when they are a little older which would be in the next couple of weeks...and I am so excited!! since making my decision, I have had many tell me I was crazy and some tell me I will love her to death....the opposers seem to think they can't be trained and are stubborn and out of control...I think that probably depends on the trainer and not the puppy!!! anyway, I am reading all about westies and NOT looking at clothes (yet) as I want to get my hands on her first...how is our little lily?? I haven't seen her recently :(
I am off to reread your other posts and hopefully have time to comment while the gang is away to SF....much love to you~xoxoxoxo
Ugh, I have a "friend" who's like this too. Fortunately, the birdie has flown for now, which must mean that things are going well. I recently realized I hadn't spoken to her in several weeks and I'm quite relieved, frankly.
She's very emotionally needy and is often unable to make any kind of decision without seeking other opinions. Which would be bad enough, but then she never follows anyone else's advice and wonders why her life continues to suck.
Oh yeah, and there's never any time to talk about what's going on with me.
This same person is also terrible about setting up lunches, etc. and cancelling at the last minute.
I'm done. I hope she doesn't call me any more, but if she does, I'll have to cut her off. And if she asks why, I'll tell her. Life is too short to deal with people like this.
Ignore the email. She won't ever "get it" as you are not a person; you are a service to her.
I think people who grow up in conditional and remote households are easy prey for this type of person.
Just delete the email. You will never get your message through. You are looking for closure here, but it isn't going to happen. She won't come to any realization, etc... It would just be another wasted effort. She will still be wasting your time. You have done the work and she hasn't and won't.
Been there, done that.
Sal: When I get off the phone from a bird I feel like I have been drained of all life force. I think that I know birds by whether I feel energized or depleted by the friendship. Friendships should not be depleting.
Kalee: This "friend" is very self focused and really in the email she as much as said that if I couldn't be there for her that she wishes me well. To me that means "be there for me or I don't want you in my life."
Truly, I think that blogging and the amazing reciprocity of friendship that I feel in blogging made me more aware that I don't have to have one sided relationships.
Vicki:LOL @ dream monsters! yes, I am dumping them. Dream monsters need not apply.
Great post, which made my blood boil, of course. I had a couple similar 'friendships'. I guess they serve a purpose in our growth, it might not be all lost. It reminds me of that song by Hole; "Come on take everything, take everything..."
Being able to say 'shoo fly' is awesome!
corine/hidden in france
I don't know what to add to all the great feedback here...except, I empathize, truly. I'm coming to terms with friends such as these too. But on the upside, these so called friends, or frenemies, make me truly appreciate my true blue and solid gold standard friends all the more. They've also taught me to enforce this simple rule: do I feel better after spending time with this person? Even if I've just helped them through a big problem? With untrue friends even pleasant exchanges can be draining.
And I agree it is a repeat, or a giving to others what our parents did not give us. Give yourself what others don't give you, love and forgiveness above all else. be your own best friend and go on from there.
Chère belette blonde vénitienne,
The person who treats you in this way is not and never was a friend, is an acquaintance at best. A true friend is someone you know you can call at 3 in the morning if you need to (for help, for celebration, no matter the reason) and someone who will pay you the same compliment.
Your 6th answer was best. Learning to let go takes us many years and it is only when we begin to achieve it that we realise how far we still have to go. Bon voyage!
Bonjour...or I should say grrrr...(lioness style!) I'm boiling hot...those so called 'friends' who are so toxic! I had swallowed a few bad ones...& now I know how they 'taste' like...I'd spit it out immediately before I get poisoned...(am I making sense here?)Anyway...I guess we continue to learn as we go through life...
~Take care beautiful!
I love number 6... do you mind if I bother that... or better you... you could have it made on cards... I could think of a few people I could send it to!
I hope you have a lovely weekend!
Fifi
Your 'friend's behaviour doesn't merit a reply, or deserve a minute more of your time.
Ignore would be my choice.
Another poignant post. Igors interpretation sounds very pertinent. It would help explain why despite having a mother who ticks like a UXB and used to blow for the least reason I am a relatively calm person.
I hate confrontation and have always sought to avoid it often by using self depreciating humour.
On the girlfriend front, experience has taught me that women are way too fickle and contrary to maintain or sustain a friendship. (Present company excepted of course) I applaud the very gentle way you intend to let her down.
So true, friends who use you are toxic and bad for you.
I've had friends like this, only want you when they're down, then ignore you once they're fine.
I would email a reply and let her know that if she wants dream interpretation the fee will be $100 per dream, paid upfront!
You definitely have been showing the rest of the world how you would like to be treated, it's just a pity that there are so many narcissists out there who are happy to trample over your needs, rather than being the kind of friend you inspire back.
you could always use my favorite response...take a picture of your middle finger and send it to her. No words required. Good for you for ending the "friendship"
#6 is so beautiful ....let it fly to her.
"The complex in which I set myself up to serve as a life support system for a friend in crisis and where I am totally there for them and try to support them and then I feel depleted and discover that it was not a friendship." -- exactly the situation I am in right now.
I love Igor's comments about the birds.
Amazing as it may seem, I think most of us have had or have at least one friend like that in our lives. Send email #6 it's perfect. Another great thought provoking post, simply put this is why I continuously return to your blog.
Once I was the talker side of a friendship with a good listener. It took me a little too long to realize she'd fallen in love and expected to keep me for herself. The relationship didn't end well.
Ever since I've understood that when the deep stuff needs to be talked through it's best to do it with a paid professional or a realized master (if you've been able to locate one).
I like answer #6 but deleting the email may be the best response.
I am so happy that you have managed to quit this pattern. A happy ending to this post, definitely! :D
I'm with Framericaine: do not engage.
and wow, I owe you €100 for therapy as I too have had fickle friends but have never realised it is because of my toxic mother.
Trying to mother everyone else because she didnt mother me, hmmm. Bingo!
Igor is starting to sound like a bit of a smart arse. That is just an observation, not a judgement.
xx
I think perhaps everyone has had "friends" like this. Disappointing every time. I am a nurturer and used to attract people like this. However, I am done with that. I am not a very confrontational person, so I would probably just ignore the email. She really doesn't merit any of your time. You have to do what feels the best for you though.
This will come as no surprise to you, I suspect, but I really agree with susan.
Don't you think we accommodate people, too, because we assume, even though experience tells us different, that they will treat us with the same respect and care?
I'm glad you've concluded that this friendship isn't what you need in your life.
David: Most voyeurism is not so generous. Thank you, as always, for your wise and very thoughtful comment.
1) Great minds both think of Saints who PETA would like.;-)
2) You are good. Yes, I became her polar opposite and when I see her and experience my dark shadow it makes me want to be even MORE of her opposite. I am still reacting in response to her and that is not real freedom. Are you sure you aren't an Igor?
3) To be honest I don't "love" her. This woman is my mother in a different costume. I am not rady to love, yet.
Linda: I feel sure that my "friend" is turning to me instead of a therapist as she doesn't have the cash to pay a therpist.
Not only have I thrown my pearls before swine I made a necklace, bracelet and gave matching earrings. No more. I am keeping my pearls.
I have cut off this be-yotch for good.
Lena:I have learned a lot about myself from this bird friends. I only wish it hadn't taken me so long to learn it.
I don't think I was choosing before to be in these friendships. I felt an almost compulsive pull to to give too much. Now I have the choice not to.
Shawn: Oh, dear you, I am so sorry. But, just because she dies doesn't mean she wasn't a drain on you when she was alive. Is that horrible to day? But, even if my "friend" died tomorrow I feel sure I wouldn't regret putting an end to this lopsided friendship.
I wish you had the closure you wished for. I am sorry you don't. Hugs to you.
K.Line: You are endlessly kind.
OMG!! I LOVE cardinals. Love them.
I love more than anything that you and Igor are on witty repertoire again! And I love the sparrow too xx
As for the 'friend' - 7th option.
Hi - I'm great thanks and currently working with Angelina on her dreams so sorry a bit tied up - you can imagine how demanding she is - beats you!
notSupermum: No, number 6 would inspire more emails. I don't want more emails.
I do feel like my impulse to give is not all bad but that I need to watch it and maybe hold back for a little bit just to see that it is okay not to give so much.
I couldn't agree more about my HE-weasel. He is a good one.
LFA: I think ignore the email is what my first real impulse and what I will ultimately do.It is painfully obvious that she has not changed at all. Her email screamed that fact and I will not go back to doing her work for her. SHe is nervy to the extreme.
Sara J: Ooooh, that would be bad. All of your supportive comments would drive her crazy. You see, Sara, it is all about her.;-)
Sallymandy: The bird came by total surprise. I have seen Igor for 6 months and never before saw a bird and then it arrives as this is on my mind. It was a great synchronicity.
I too have a fear of her attacking me. She is the kind of "friend" who hoards things you have said in the past to hold them against you. She would finds way to make this all my fault. No, I am not up for that.
I am still stunned to see how things that seem like they are just us are attempting to balance or correct early childhood deficits.
Thank you, lovely you, for your incredibly generous affirmation. I see the same in you and your generous and loving spirit.
Savvy Mode: I LOVE what you said: "if they are not shy about being selfish why should you be shy about telling them off." Really good point.
Linda: So you see this kind of friendship as abuse? Wow. I would have never come to that on my own. It is an interesting thought. It is certainly a narcissistic model of friendship in which the needs of the other always comes first. Hmm... you got me thinking.
I am so very happy if this post gave you some insight. I am still amazed at the insight Igor gve me about this.
I think it is not so much more sadness now than usual but that I seem to be in the midst of processing much of it and I seem not to be able to write as much of the light and fluffy stuff. Maybe it is because I am not working on the novel.
I am sorry you don't have as much time for yourself. I always love seeing you here and enjoy your comments and am always left with much to think about every time I hear from you.
Lily said to assure you that her trip was trauma free and all will be well with your baby. You are not crazy, the people who say that are crazy. Lily is SUPER easy to train and she is not at all out of control. Lily has gotten to be a real lover and cuddler. She loves to nuzzle in my neck and sit on my lap. I love this new phase. You will so enjoy your westie. I am so excited for you.
Much love to you too.xoxo
Nancy: I hope that your birdie is gone for good.
And, you know what, my birdie was also HORRIBLE about setting up lunches, etc. and she always canceled at the last minute.ALWAYS.
Hollarback: I am going to do just as you say. As nice as option 6 is she just wouldn't get it. No, she wouldn't get it and closure is not an option. It is too bad as it leaves me feeling like I am not handling it as I should.
Corine: If I had the hour count I have given to these birds I would be enraged with them and with them. I am guessing it would be in the 1000s of hours. Ouch.
Shoo, fly, don't bother me.
Cheryl:Your friendship golden rule is one I am writing down.And, I so know what you mean. Even the smallest exchange leaves me depleted. Hate that feeling.
No matter how many times I tried to teach my mother how to be there for me by being a hyper-available friend it had no impact on my mother at all.
Kapgaf: The maddening part of this is that to many of these birds they really thought we were best-friends. I didn't feel it. I felt drained, exhausted and that I was allowed no boundaries( just like with my mother).
LENORENEVERMORE: I love it when you growl like a lion!!!!!It is too bad that people don't come with poison tags on them so we would know to stay clear.
Fifi: Feel free to turn my letter into a card. Just quote me and share the profits.;-)
Hope you have a lovely bird-free weekend.:-)
Jan: Ignore is the best option for her. If it was a real friend I would chose another option.
Indigo16:Thanks, Indigo. I really appreciate you sharing how your mother impacts you and your friendships. It makes me a little grumpy to know that I have been living so much of my life as a reaction to her. I am uber-available because she is not. I had to be a great student because she seemed so dumb to me. I work towards hyper-awareness because she refuses to have any. I wonder how much of me is really me and not a reaction to her.
Each time I get to the end of my rope with a bird friend I want to become a hermit and never try it again. I am even feeling a bit of a desire to pull back and protect myself from attracting birds. Igor says that my mother is a Hydra and if I cut off one head she will come back up in other guises such as friends.
I wonder if must women relive their patterns with their mothers in their friendships just as many women relive paternal patterns in romantic relationships. Really interesting.
Imogen: SOmeone else suggested $1000 a dream. Now that makes $100 seem not enough to deal with her. $1000 is my minimum.;-)
Have you found that when you got really serious about saying no to bird-friends that you no longer met as many of their kind?
Wondering K: ROFLOL!!!!!!!!!LOVE it!
Sarah: Think I am a chicken and I will go with #4.
WendyB: Oh, no. I am sorry. We are going to have a lot to talk about when you are here. You are coming?
Igor makes me laugh and then makes me think. I love that combination.
TopSurf: I am glad I keep you coming back. Every time I am afraid to post a post it seems that it is one that people resonate with. I am just going to keep writing scary posts and publishing them anyway. I am happy to know you will be here to read them.Thanks.:-)
susan: From now on I am going to just give out numbers to therapists and enlightened masters and take myself out of the equation.
I am going with deleting and ignoring.
p.s. No offense to crow. You know I love birds. But, metaphors are never perfect.
pretty face: I am sooooo done. Hear that birdie?;-)
Hammie: No, I am not writing her back. I don't want to open the door any further.
It is astonishing to see how friends and mother patterns can go hand in hand. Isn't it?
Save your money. What you said in yesterdays comment was so very therapeutic. I think we can call it even.;-)
He is a smart ass and I love that about him. I am too. We are a good match. Humourless folks would not enjoy him. But, I think humourless people are stupid so there is that( My mother has no sense of humour). xo
Julianne: I am so happy that you and so many others are with me on my decision to ignore her email and to just move on. I do feel sure that she will email again at some point. But, I will ignore her email then too.
Lisa: I do think we keep at it as we think it will eventually give us what we are after only it never does.
Film Upstart:Witty repertoire is enough to keep me going. Insight is secondary.;-_
ROFLOL @ your suggestion!!! I am going to give that one some semi-serious thought.
Belette - I very quickly make any potential bird friends fly away now. They are a drain on my resources. They are not friends but leeches who just suck you dry.
Real friendship is about giving AND receiving.
xxoo
This is a fabulous and very honest post. I am incredibly intrigued by your analysis of the situation, (though must agree with another poster that Igor is not coming off as entirely likeable, but this is perhaps beside the point).
I think it would be healthy for you to let bird friend know that you are not going to be able to help her. It doesn't really matter what you say in the end, as long as you say no. It's more about you setting the boundary and letting go than worrying about her.
Good luck. Most impressed by your insight and courage. xo
PS 64 comments! You touched a lot of people!
I, too, join the ranks of the nurturer/listener/ supporter. When my "best friend" so I thought ,was going through her psychotic mother's death, I was there for her as I had been our entire friendship. During the end of this time I found a lump in my breast and my doctor was very frank about its seriousness. My friend replied, "If you die before my mother does, I'll kill you." Well, that killed our friendship. Enough already. I am ok and I am well. And never will I enter into a friendship that is not one of equal strengths. Be strong. Know who you are and what you need. Yes, you have needs, too. Thanks for the post.
Imogen: I hope I get better at doing this with more practice. Your example gives me hope.
xxoo
Motherhood The Final Frontier:
I am so happy you enjoyed it and I thank you for your very kind compliments. I assure you if Igor is not coming off as likebable the fult is with me. He really is the most affable therapist I have ever met and I have met LOTS of them.
I have decided that no contact is the best contact. She doesn't deserve the consideration I would give a friend. As someone wisely said, she doesn't want a friend she wants a service.
Thank you again for your very kind comment.xo
p.s. It is always nice when a post strikes a chord for others.
home before dark: Thank you. It is so amazing to hear others stories about this. It seems that there are many of us nurturers/listeners/ supporters.
I am absolutely gobsmacked by what your "friend" said to you. But, maybe the gift of her insane statement was that it made you really see her as she is and helped you walk away.But, ugh, to have to end a friendship when you were going through that. Horrible!! I hope you had other friends who helped you during your difficult time. And, I am so happy to hear you are well.
Thank you for your wise advice and thanks again for sharing your story. Be strong. Know who you are and what you need. Yes, you have needs, too. Thanks for the post.
grrr...grrr...(La belette, since you like my 'lioness grr' I did twice for you darlin') Hope you have a fab weekend dear...
~Meowww...(i'm actually more the kitty cat in a dark alley! shhh...don't tell!)
Years (many years) ago this is precisely the sort of thing I would do, never telling the little bird to fly someplace else. It took the longest time to figure out how to do it.
BTW, I don't know why but the writing on this is exquisite. Simply perfect.
tp
OMGosh!!! Do we have the same friends!? LOL! Nope - not LOL ... rather, it's SOTI (smiling on the inside).
LENORENEVERMORE: You are the Lion Queen! Eartha Kitt and/or Hally have nothing on you!!!
thepreppyprincess: It took me until last week to get it. I am a slow learner.
Thank you, TP, for your VERY kind compliment. Glad you like!:-)
TattingChic: Oh no, you have 'em too? I am so sorry. Send the birdies out.:-(
It's a really difficult thing to do, isn't it? I just read your comment on my blog about my break-up, and wanted to say thank you for your kind words. It was, as you mention in your comments here, so much easier to do nothing, but I was always left feeling drained and sad and angry, waiting for the next time she'd show up. There is a sadness, still, but I feel like I finally stood up for myself. It's unfamiliar, but I'm working on that.
Again, thank you for your kindness. This person really must be insane for not realizing what they are missing by treating your so rudely. I cannot understand it!
Sara: It is amazing that we are both going through this at the same time. Some wise women here in the comments mentioned that you can tell if it is a friend by how you feel when you leave encounters. Very true.
I am so sorry your "friend" couldn't be a real friend to you as you deserve. Perhaps we ought to introduce these women to each other. ;-)
I came here today to read your post at the recommendation of Braja. What an insiteful look into what motivates a person... I think we share similar motivations and I will be (trying, oh so very hard) to close my window so that no further poop falls upon my head.
Kathy B:First I must thank Braja for sending you over.
Thank you for taking her advice and for coming to visit. I appreciate your kind comment. Good luck with shutting the door on the bird-friends. I am trying to keep the door shut too. It is getting easier. I hope it does for you too.:-)
I loved Linda's advice - charge her for your time! That would be so satisfying!
Honestly, it seems like there are so many of us who've had this experience of vampiric "friends"... After a few situations somewhat similar to yours (but nowhere near as bad!), I now try and adhere to a policy of having only one draining friend at time - it's quite a challenge though, I seem to be sub-consciously attracted to them. Igor's explanation is interesting, but for me I guess it's just the feeling of being needed, and perhaps because my life has been very lucky really, I am interested in the drama?
Anyway, well done you for managing to end the "friendship" in the first place.
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